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Jesus, Creator of Heaven and Earth

Noel
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Introduction.

We are starting a new series of "eye-opening" lessons. If you thought that the creation debate involved dusty, largely-irrelevant issues on which Christians could reasonably differ, this series will teach you otherwise. It will reveal that some of the most burning issues of today have their roots in the creation debate. If you doubted that Satan exists and is engaged in a strategic war against God, this series of lessons will disabuse you of that. Hold on to your hat as we begin to explore how the Biblical account of the Creation impacts many other doctrines of the Bible!

http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/13a/less01.html
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“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1).
 
There are many deep truths in that simple text, one of the most profound being that the universe itself had a beginning.

Most scientist today believe in the "big bang" theory as to the start of the universe, how is that any different to the first text in the Bible?
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Yeah, I've come accross Gentry's work before and is used by many creationists as an example of proof of short earth life. The problem with his hypothesis is that it hasn't been peer reviewed ( standard things done by the scientific community)  and other hypothesis exists that supercedes his work that has been peer reviewed so more recent studies than Gentry's 1968 study is worth a read if you are in to that.

From a christian perspective, scientific papers don't address the writings of the Bible and what the Bible records should not be used as scientific papers. However, the basic premise of Genesis 1:1 and the basic idea of the big bang theory is the same. The difference in conclusion between creationists and others is the cause of this "big bang", the later does not acknowledge God as the ultimate creator while creationists do.
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Jesus, Creator of Heaven and Earth
 
By Stephen Terry
 
 
Commentary for the January 5, 2013 Sabbath School Lesson
 
 
“…For the foundations of the earth are the Lord’s; on them he has set the world.” 1 Samuel 2:8, NIV
 
For most Christians, the idea that God created the world is a non-negotiable tenet of faith. This is what the Bible indisputably proclaims. Not only is the concept of a Creator God found in Genesis, but it is closely tied to the fourth commandment of the Decalogue in Exodus, chapter 20 and is also included in the message of the first angel in Revelation 14. The first chapter of the Gospel of John also ties together the roles of Creator and Redeemer. But what does this mean empirically?
 
Scientific method asserts that all can be observed, measured, and understood. However, measurement assumes relativity and relativity assumes linear time. One cannot measure something without referring to its relative position in time and space. But this can become problematic once we step outside of linear time. This can happen if we assume that time began with Creation or in the case of some scientific theorists, with the universal genesis of the “Big Bang.” Indeed, the Bible proposes the establishment of time with the creation of days and weeks in the first chapter of Genesis. Linear time is also vital to the “Big Bang” because it relies on the idea of an expanding universe, and one cannot determine expansion without time as the simple formula D = R x T demonstrates. So why would we step outside of linear time?
 
We are essentially doing this when we ask, “What existed before Creation?” or “What existed before the ‘Big Bang?’” While science has never satisfactorily answered the latter question, most Christians would answer the first by simply stating “God.” But this simplistic answer is far more complex than one might think. For example, a commonly understood attribute of God is omnipresence. To be omnipresent means to be present at everywhere at every time. To such a being, time would be meaningless. You or I might say, “See you tomorrow.” However, for God, He would already be seeing you tomorrow at the same moment He is seeing you today. Therefore, the interval that would be meaningful to those of us bound by this dimensionality would be totally irrelevant to God. The limitations of linear time would not apply to Him. In much the same way, a three-dimensional object appearing in part on a two-dimensional plane would not be bound by two-dimensions and if moving in the third, unperceived dimension might appear to magically disappear and reappear in that two dimensional world. This might even appear “god-like” to any two-dimensional inhabitants of that world.
 
Only with the advent of modern physics have some of these concepts begun to be understood. Applying this two-dimensional/three-dimensional model to our world leads us to hypothesize the existence of other dimensions that are as beyond our understanding as three dimensions were to the two-dimensional world inhabitants. If we inculcate the concept that God is omnipresent throughout time and space, then of course, by definition He would be multi-dimensional, at least beyond the dimensions we could measure. If we then apply another understood attribute of God to this possibility, that He is infinite, then we perhaps should consider the possibility of an infinite number of co-existent dimensions. While not apparent to us, they would be as real to an omnipresent and infinite being as ours is to us.
 
Why does any of this matter? It matters because just as those two-dimensional creatures could neither conceive of nor measure the third dimension, we may not be capable of measuring Creation in any meaningful sense with the tools at our disposal. For instance, we do not understand how light can separate the day from the night on the first three days of Creation when the Sun was not created for that purpose until the fourth day. While it seems illogical in our dimension where we are constricted to linear time, perhaps it makes perfect sense interdimensionally.
 
Of course this begs the question as to whether the Creation account is an inadequate representation of what actually took place, constrained by our limited perspective. Truth, whether it is true or not, is still truth when viewed from a particular perspective. For instance, spontaneous generation as proposed by Aristotle was held to be true for approximately two thousand years, until experiments by Louis Pasteur revealed the true source of the generation. Nonetheless, spontaneous generation remained a demonstrable truth for all the years prior. This was not because it was inherently true but because inadequate understanding was responsible for a false hypothesis that appeared irrefutable.
 
When it comes to theology and the Bible, literalism can create similar problems. It can cause us to define “truths” about Creation that may be nothing more than articulations of perspective rather than actual Truth. Some of the paradoxes that arise from these inadequate articulations can be very troubling to the literalist. For example there is the problem of age. Did God create the world with age built in? For those who adhere to a young earth perception, it is troubling when geologists speak of geologic ages and carbon dating. They feel that the world should literally provide only evidence supporting a young earth. However, even the literalists might admit that Adam was created as a mature being. As a matter of perspective then, the earth would appear to be several decades old based on Adam’s appearance as opposed to mere days.
 
If we extrapolate this to tree rings and geologic strata, then what appeared to be several decades becomes centuries and eons. Some are troubled by this and feel that if God created the world and universe with age then He is being deceitful. However, if we hark back to the two-dimensional/three-dimensional model, is it deceitful for the third dimension to interact with the second or are the fruits of that interaction the way they are because they can be nothing else? For instance, could Creation have been imbued with age because it was made for creatures that must dwell in linear time and that appearance of age allowed those creatures to make sense of the world around them?
 
In a mechanistic sense, whether or not one wants to accept the commonly accepted measurable ages of the world around us, we are able to use them to classify, measure, and understand the inter-relationships of the systems we were given when our world was created. To take what we were given by God and use it in this way is not a denial of God; rather it is an acceptance of the gift He gave us to help us understand our world, the gift of linear time and by definition, the relativity that it brings with it. To accept such a gift is a glorification of God and an enhancement of the potential He placed within us to understand our world and the universe within the constraints of our dimensional limitations.
 
If God is to be God, he can only communicate with his creation base upon their created limitations. Quite possibly, He can no more explain Creation to us than we can explain a steam locomotive to a toddler. What we may consider deep and profound truths may be no more than God going “Choo! Choo! And Chug! Chug!. While these simple profundities may be all that is necessary to thrill the toddler, most adults know that there is no point in discussing anything deeper with the child.
 
The Genesis creation account was written for a people only recently released from centuries of slavery. As examples of human achievement, they were severely wanting. Most may have understood little beyond their daily round of tasks and their concern for their next meal. Even Moses understood little of the significance of who he was. His rudimentary sense of justice caused him to kill an Egyptian, but there is no indication that he even had a practical knowledge of God. Some speculate that his mother taught him what he needed to know about God while caring for him until he was weaned. Others speculate that his father-in-law as a priest may have taught him. But the account of the incident with the burning bush does not reveal any sort of ongoing relationship with God prior to the event.
 
Considering all of this, what God revealed to Moses about Creation may have been limited not just by the normal human perspective but also perhaps by human understanding degraded to its lowest possible level. Perhaps the more important lesson that God wanted to teach was not a literal account of exactly how Creation took place, but rather that perfect faith transcends the ability of perfect knowledge to save and uplift humanity. Maybe more important than Creation viewed through the lens of linear time is the understanding that faith in a God who transcends time and space is more efficacious. “For we live by faith, not by sight.” 2 Corinthians 5:7, NIV
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Just a short time ago, we all thought that the smallest particle known to nan was an atom, yet we continually discover more and more detail, just imagine the mind behind this basic element - what a creator.



http://youtu.be/lP57gEWcisY
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I think we must all remember that our belief in God and His ability to save us is primarily an act of faith. Off course, our own personal experience of Him and what He has done for us goes a long way in strengthening our faith but if it was just a matter of empirical proof then all of science would accept Him instead of the theory of evolution.
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In June of 2012, a new Gallup Poll examined the beliefs of Americans regarding the origin of man. The poll also showed how these beliefs related to church attendance, choice of political party, and educational level. They interviewed 1,012 adults, 18 and older, in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

Only one question was asked: Which of the following statements comes closest to your views on the origin and development of human beings?
1) Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process,
2) Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God had no part in this process,
3) God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so.1

Respondents were placed in one of three categories, based on their answers: those who chose option 1 were considered theistic evolutionists; those who chose option 2 were considered evolutionists; and those who chose option 3 were considered creationists.

The results? Forty-six percent of those polled believed in creationism, 32 percent in theistic evolution, while 15 percent believed in evolution without any type of divine intervention. Although we wish the percentage of those who believe in creation were higher, this number has increased by two percent over the last 30 years. But unfortunately, the number of those believing in evolution has increased by six percent during the same time period.

The education level of the respondents was a significant factor in the results. Of those with postgraduate's degrees, 42 percent said they believed that humans evolved by a God-guided process. Twenty-one percent believed that humans evolved without God being involved in the process at all. And sadly, only 25 percent believe that God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years.

So what do the results of this poll mean to us? At least this: we creationists have a job to do! But it's more than creationism that we want others to believe in. We want them to believe in the Creator.

The Bible says that God created the earth in seven days-through the power of words only! But to a non-believer, this doesn't mean much, unless he or she actually comes to know the Creator, and begins a relationship with Jesus.

The relationship will begin to grow when we show them that Jesus didn't just create this beautiful world for us to live in, and then walk away from it. Instead, after sin entered the new world and God's plans for earth changed drastically, the Creator became the Redeemer! Jesus came to live among us, and then died in our place, so that we could someday live here again in the New Jerusalem.

So to argue the facts concerning creation on a scientific level without introducing the Creator as Redeemer, is only telling the beginning of the story. And the rest of the story is the best part!


1. Huffington Post  
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